Author & Polyglot Olly Richards on Why You Should Learn Languages Through Stories
Author, polyglot, and “langpreneur” Olly Richards from StoryLearning® (formerly I Will Teach You a Language) returns to the podcast six years after our first chat to share what new lessons he’s learned and how a high-altitude near death experience led him to the power of stories in language learning!
Olly has been quite the busy bee since we last spoke, going on to build one of the most popular language blogs on the planet, launching a series of in-depth language courses, and publishing 16 short story books with Teach Yourself!
⚠️ Note: This interview is broken up into two parts. The conversations contain some adult language.
In part one of our wide-ranging, in-depth conversation, we get into:
- How Olly went on to learn 10 languages despite being a “late bloomer.”
- How and why he built I Will Teach You a Language (now StoryLearning).
- Why Olly finds story-based language learning so effective.
- The importance of doing what you like and why enjoyment leads to more time on task.
- The difficulty of finding stories and readers ideal for beginning to intermediate learners.
- The challenge of proving whether a particular language learning method works or not, especially when studied in less-than-ideal classroom environments.
- The few essential ingredients necessary for effective language learning.
- The primary struggles faced by independent language learners and how best to overcome them.
- How Olly’s approach to―and attitudes about―language learning have shifted in the past few decades.
- The tyranny of perfectionism and the beauty of becoming a “disciplined half-asser.”
- “Rigging the game to win” vs. “the soft bigotry of low expectations.”
- Why the imperfect method you stick to is better than the perfect method you quit.
- The tension between setting realistic expectations about how much time and effort it takes to learn a language, and encouraging new learners to get started and build momentum.
- How I learned kanji in college and whether I would use the same method if starting from scratch today.
- Why mnemonics are so much more effective than rote memorization and muscle memory.
- The law of diminishing returns for the last five perfect of approaching native-like fluency and the euphoria of starting a new language.
- Which languages we are learning now and hope to learn next.
- The critical importance of having a strong, meaty WHY when learning a language.
- The role of identity in language learning and the challenge of feeling like “a stupid kid” again.
- Why I argue that languages like Japanese are “different,” not necessarily “difficult,” and why the language itself is not what’s difficult, but rather the need to endure uncertainty and ambiguity.
- How cognitive distortions (e.g. “all-or-nothing” thinking) sabotage our efforts to learn a language, build a business, or anything in between.
- Why enthusiasm, confidence, and the eagerness to communicate matter so much more than language ability or linguistic accuracy.
Concepts, Events, People & Resources Mentioned
- Narrative (Wikipedia)
- Language acquisition (Wikipedia)
- Psychological nativism (Wikipedia)
- Confounding (Wikipedia)
- Richard Simcott (hyperpolyglot)
- Matt vs. Japan (YouTuber)
- Jōyō Kanji (常用漢字)
- Mnemonics (blog post)
- Tim Ferriss (author)
- John Waitzkin (learning expert)
In part two of our wide-ranging conversation, we get into his language learning routines and habits, how he tackles reading (especially in Japanese), the importance of getting a wide range of high-quality exposure to your target language, the power of following your interest and curiosity, and Olly’s top tips for launching a successful online language learning empire or just a profitable side hustle to help pay the bills.
- What a typical, ideal, and less than ideal day of language learning look like for Olly these days.
- How Olly reads in a foreign language, especially one like Japanese that uses characters instead of a Latin alphabet.
- Why you should learn in smaller, more frequent bursts instead of less frequent mammoth study sessions.
- Why you should focus on important, high-frequency “unlocking” words and not get caught up in looking up every single unknown word, phrase, or kanji as you read.
- The advantages of aiming for 80 to 90% comprehension and then moving to new content (i.e. maximizing exposure and avoiding the law of diminishing returns).
- The advantages of “narrow reading” (reading a variety of articles on the same basic topic).
- Olly’s top tips for launching a successful online language learning empire or just a profitable side hustle to help pay the bills.
- The importance of defining a “niche within a niche” (e.g. not just “Japanese” but “teaching expat parents in Japan to read Japanese school reports”).
- Why you don’t need a huge audience to make a living, but you do need the right audience.
- Why you should launch a “minimum viable product” (MVP) and improve it based on customer feedback instead of spending years perfecting something nobody actually wants or is willing to pay for.
- Why you should announce a public launch date for any product, course, service, etc. you’re building (especially my fellow perfectionists).
- The balance between giving customers what they want and what you know they need (i.e. Henry Ford's quote: “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”)
- Faulty thinking and common misconceptions many people have about money, capitalism, inequality, etc., and why reality is much more nuanced than basic ideologies will argue.
- My contrarian view on nutrition and sustainability (Hint: veganism is NOT the answer to save the health of humans or the planet).
- The importance of always asking, “What if the opposite were true?” whether in business, nutrition, or language learning.
- The pros and cons of memory enhancing techniques and mnemonics such as the “Major System.”
- Why mnemonics, flashcards, etc. can be useful “nutritional supplements” but are NOT a replacement for real “immersion meals.”
- The critical importance of focus and the need for regular “reality checks” with a coach, mastermind, etc. when you find yourself overwhelmed with too many ideas, projects, etc.
Concepts, Events, People & Resources Mentioned
- Yomiwa Japanese Dictionary app (iOS & Android)
- The law of diminishing returns (Wikipedia)
- Narrow reading (Blog Post)
- Japan Airlines (日本航空)
- Kanji (Wikipedia)
- Seonaid (Perfect English Grammar)
- Jan van der Aa (Polyglot & Entrepreneur)
- Langpreneur (Podcast; Rebranded as CreatorSmarts)
- Speakers’ Corner (Wikipedia)
- International English Language Testing System (Wikipedia)
- Survivorship bias (Wikipedia)
- Benny Lewis (Polyglot & Founder of Fluent in 3 Months)
- Starving Artist (Wikipedia)
- Master Japanese (My Book)
- Steve Jobs’ “Zone of Genius” (Inc. article)
- Disqualifying the Positive (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy)
- Jeremy Corbyn (Wikipedia)
- Boris Johnson (Wikipedia)
- Anthony Metivier (Magnetic Memory Method)
- Mnemonic Major System (Wikipedia)
- Remembering the Kanji 1: A Complete Course on How Not to Forget the Meaning and Writing of Japanese Characters (Book by James Heisig)
- World Memory Championships (Wikipedia)
Beginner Short Story Books from Teach Yourself
- Short Stories in Brazilian Portuguese for Beginners
- Short Stories in Dutch for Beginners
- Short Stories in English for Beginners
- Short Stories in French for Beginners
- Short Stories in German for Beginners
- Short Stories in Italian for Beginners
- Short Stories in Russian for Beginners
- Short Stories in Spanish for Beginners
- Short Stories in Swedish for Beginners
- Short Stories in Turkish for Beginners
Intermediate Short Story Books from Teach Yourself
- Short Stories in English for Intermediate Learners
- Short Stories in French for Intermediate Learners
- Short Stories in German for Intermediate Learners
- Short Stories in Italian for Intermediate Learners
- Short Stories in Japanese for Intermediate Learners
- Short Stories in Korean for Intermediate Learners
- Short Stories in Spanish for Intermediate Learners
- Chinese Uncovered
- French Uncovered
- German Uncovered
- Italian Uncovered
- Japanese Uncovered
- Korean Uncovered
- Latin Uncovered
- Portuguese Uncovered
- Russian Uncovered
- Spanish Uncovered
- Turkish Uncovered